grouping library for 83?

necro · Post by **necro** » Sun 03 Apr, 2005 11:17 pm

a asm library to group and ungroup programs inside of a basic program program would be neat. (would allow for installers to make life easier, and uninstallers to clean up...and would ease in archiving/unarchiving in large games)

Spengo · Post by **Spengo** » Sun 03 Apr, 2005 11:25 pm

I thought groups were only PC based. When I send them to my calc, they become un-grouped.
EDIT: wait nevermind I just saw it in the mem menu. :P

DJ_O · Post by **DJ_O** » Sun 03 Apr, 2005 11:36 pm

Wow I can seem to understand why I didnt though of that yet

that would be cool, for example in a chapter based game where there isa lot of prgms, when you finish the chapter, you run codex or such prgm to delete all the no longer necessary prgms then ungroup the file

Gambit · Post by **Gambit** » Sun 03 Apr, 2005 11:47 pm

Unfortunately, I don't think there are any documented B_CALLs to create a group/ungroup. The only way I see (to Group) would be to unlock flash and write the bytes yourself. Ungrouping, as long as you can find the data pointer and data structure, should be fairly trivial to do.

Of course, if somebody found the B_CALLs, then it'll be smooth sailing

necro · Post by **necro** » Sun 03 Apr, 2005 11:49 pm

and then there wouldn't be so many "*SNIVEL*I can't get so and so game to work*SNIVEL*

necro · Post by **necro** » Sun 03 Apr, 2005 11:51 pm

Gambit wrote:Unfortunately, I don't think there are any documented B_CALLs to create a group/ungroup. The only way I see (to Group) would be to unlock flash and write the bytes yourself. Ungrouping, as long as you can find the data pointer and data structure, should be fairly trivial to do.

Of course, if somebody found the B_CALLs, then it'll be smooth sailing

not going to happen?

hmmm...would Ti give out that info if you asked them

Jim e · Post by **Jim e** » Mon 04 Apr, 2005 12:04 am

You know copying a program at a time from a group to the ram is a good idea, I'm thinking about kevins game with 70 odd programs in them, It was insane to try to install it. Working with a group you could probalby do it with just two files, the main program and the group.

Post by **tr1p1ea** » Mon 04 Apr, 2005 4:22 pm

I think it is a good idea to nearly always group projects that have a large number of installation files.

Gambit · Post by **Gambit** » Mon 04 Apr, 2005 7:09 pm

Tracing through the OS code, I could not find a B_CALL

It seems that TI does a direct call/jump. What I did discover was that TI does math, then writes a block, does more math, then writes a block, ad infinum... (j/k about the ad infinum

). If someone can prove me wrong (please do!)...

the_unknown_one · Post by **the_unknown_one** » Mon 04 Apr, 2005 7:32 pm

I'll do some research into this, cause it would be great if i could add this to EBL...

Timendus · Post by **Timendus** » Mon 04 Apr, 2005 7:37 pm

I don't really understand why you'd want to use the normal groups. Why don't you create your own groups? You could have an assembly program that puts several programs into one program. That program could even be able to unzip itself when called with Asm(, have the data stored as compressed stream, et cetera... AND you'd still be compatible with the old Ti-83...

Gambit · Post by **Gambit** » Mon 04 Apr, 2005 8:16 pm

Timendus wrote:I don't really understand why you'd want to use the normal groups. Why don't you create your own groups? You could have an assembly program that puts several programs into one program. That program could even be able to unzip itself when called with Asm(, have the data stored as compressed stream, et cetera... AND you'd still be compatible with the old Ti-83...

That's a good idea! I just posted my stuff because they were asking how to ungroup the normal groups. Wow, that must be done!

necro · Post by **necro** » Mon 04 Apr, 2005 11:23 pm

hmm...on that whole idea, might it futher be possible to set up a folder system (groups within groups) and make it so you could delete a group a all of its included groups would subsequently also be deleted?

DJ_O · Post by **DJ_O** » Mon 04 Apr, 2005 11:38 pm

Maybe, but remember that the z80 doesnt have folder like the TI-68k

necro · Post by **necro** » Mon 04 Apr, 2005 11:43 pm

true...but this would alow for a simple browser that could temp ungroup and regroup prgs as it goes (and make the 83 much more user friendly