Advice to Young Men from an Old Man

hop · Post by **hop** » Sat 17 Mar, 2007 10:21 pm

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/279126743.html

threefingeredguy · Post by **threefingeredguy** » Sun 18 Mar, 2007 3:43 am

Interesting read.

necro · Post by **necro** » Sun 18 Mar, 2007 4:44 am

Who ever wrote that desserves a medal. Or a bunch of medals. Or a realy big medal. Point is, that was a great read.

DigiTan · Post by **DigiTan** » Mon 19 Mar, 2007 12:07 am

It's a teenager.

Homestar · Post by **Homestar** » Mon 19 Mar, 2007 3:00 am

7. DonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be a Republican. They are self-dealing crooks with no sense of honor or patriotism to their fellow citizens. If you must be a Republican, donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be a conservative. They are whining, bitching, complaining, simple-minded self-righteous idiots who think theyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re perpetual victims. Listen to talk radio for a while, youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll see what I mean.

Rofl,
I'm not a Republican, but I am a strict Conservative

(the Republicans are too compromising for me and spend like the Dems).

My political stance is freeom for the people. This includes the "Right to be Wrong"*, and the freedom to spend your money the way you want, rather than the government doing it for you.
*Want medication? Go buy it. Want retirement? Should have put more into the bank and less into that car. Want a nice house like me? get off your sassafras and get a job! Don't want any of these things? Don't work hard, don't go to college, don't make smart decisions, and be free to live without them.

Therefore the Government exists soley for our protection and the essentials of our well being as a nation. Not to be every citizen's insurance policy*
*Want insurance? Get an insurance plan. Don't infringe upon my freedoms by making me buy one for you.

Oh, and about Talk Radio, Neil Boortz is my favorite

. Good artical BTW

Was that enough "whining, bitching,[and] complaining"? *sarcasm* (:

DigiTan · Post by **DigiTan** » Mon 19 Mar, 2007 3:16 am

That; and he forgets all parties are whiny, self-righteous idiots who play the victim. They just do it from opposite sites of the House chamber.

Teenager!

hop · Post by **hop** » Mon 19 Mar, 2007 10:22 am

You didn't have to confirm point 7 to be true in some cases, though.

Post by **Patori** » Tue 27 Mar, 2007 7:03 am

I love the last bit of advice... 97%...

meaning that question is the only one out of the 30 that is correct?

necro · Post by **necro** » Tue 27 Mar, 2007 9:09 am

Homestar wrote:
7. DonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be a Republican. They are self-dealing crooks with no sense of honor or patriotism to their fellow citizens. If you must be a Republican, donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be a conservative. They are whining, bitching, complaining, simple-minded self-righteous idiots who think theyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re perpetual victims. Listen to talk radio for a while, youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll see what I mean.
Rofl,
I'm not a Republican, but I am a strict Conservative (the Republicans are too compromising for me and spend like the Dems).

My political stance is freeom for the people. This includes the "Right to be Wrong"*, and the freedom to spend your money the way you want, rather than the government doing it for you.
*Want medication? Go buy it. Want retirement? Should have put more into the bank and less into that car. Want a nice house like me? get off your sassafras and get a job! Don't want any of these things? Don't work hard, don't go to college, don't make smart decisions, and be free to live without them.

Therefore the Government exists soley for our protection and the essentials of our well being as a nation. Not to be every citizen's insurance policy*
*Want insurance? Get an insurance plan. Don't infringe upon my freedoms by making me buy one for you.

Oh, and about Talk Radio, Neil Boortz is my favorite . Good artical BTW

Was that enough "whining, bitching,[and] complaining"? *sarcasm* (:

That sounds like the type of spoiled raving of someone who can't live without an instant-satisfaction materialistic lifestyle and who, despite a world of catastrophe and terror would rather writhe in their own narcissistic greed than open their myscopic eyes to a man kind better than they are today. Of course a military/policing only government without social programs would mean people would be more inclined to steal, kill, etc, and that you would be affected by the worsened socioeconomic conditions. Also setting aside the fact that many great deeds and discoveries have been the fruits of social programs, anyone who would cheer at events such as the depression, African wars, and even local homelessness and decry the programs that provide some level of relief are to me the worst types of humans. Those who can not imagine that aside from the trillions being used to fuel soldiers getting their brain blown out and various insurgents and innocent parties getting holed with fragmentation and charred with fire bombs; and the hidden sums being used to fuel and supply arms to the most horrendous and cruel campaigns of genocide and horror at the remote corners of the world; and aside from the sums used to maintain the death chambers and concrete rape wards of the so called justice system that the small sum that is used for everything else charitable, kind, or scientific is an outrageous vexation is ignorant. Simply ignorant, or grant you possibly something far worse, simply evil.

Homestar · Post by **Homestar** » Thu 29 Mar, 2007 2:55 am

@ necro: My intent is not to get into a political debate, as my comment was meant jokingly (note the invisible text) in response to the article's extremity against my political stance, even though I do believe what I said.

The following is just merely a few facts, clarifications, and rhetorical questions (as I don't dispel arguments with name calling).

Here's an interesting article link :

... People who identify themselves as conservatives donate money to charity more often than people who identify themselves as liberals. They donate more money and a higher percentage of their incomes.

It is not that conservatives have more money. Liberal families average 6 percent higher incomes than conservative families.

You may recall a flap during the 2000 election campaign when the fact came out that Al Gore donated a smaller percentage of his income to charity than the national average. That was perfectly consistent with his liberalism.

So is the fact that most of the states that voted for John Kerry during the 2004 election donated a lower percentage of their incomes to charity than the states that voted for President Bush.
Conservatives not only donate more money to charity than liberals do, conservatives volunteer more time as well. More conservatives than liberals also donate blood.

According to Brooks: "If liberals and moderates gave blood at the same rate as conservatives, the blood supply of the United States would jump about 45 percent."...

... Idealism in words is not idealism in deeds.

So ask yourself, when was the last time you donated money, gave blood, or volunteered time for a good cause.
Is the normal conservative really what you defined in your spiel?

About the great depression, that was a situation of national crisis, and a time of national emergency. Do note I said the essentials of our wellbeing as a Nation. I believe many of the things Roosevelt did, in addition to the war jump-starting our economy saved our nation. My problem is that after the crisis ended, many of the programs still remained.

Now on the flip-side of the coin, and on the personal level, if I had placed all my possessions into the lottery, (a risk based money exchange, just like the stock market) would it be the other taxpayers' responsibility to repay me if I didn't win?

...Crime, Chaos, Genocide, rape wards, and gas chambers. Do you honestly think I believe in that? I'm talking about Capitalism with the necessary restrictions. Besides what you're talking about is far closer to your USSR* than a free-marketed society in a just government*.

(*note, I think we both agree in a just government, so why would Africa's unjust governmental system even come up? It's like my associating your ideas of socialism with the USSR. It's not fair because it was represented in an unjust government. I don't really think you agree with the USSR, the statement was only made for emphasis.)
(I'm going to bed now, I'm really tired, and have a lot of college tomorrow)
end of post

DigiTan · Post by **DigiTan** » Thu 29 Mar, 2007 4:09 am

* Microwaves some popcorn for the inevitable political debate *

Anybody want vanilla popcorn? I don't think I can finish the whole bowl.

hop · Post by **hop** » Thu 29 Mar, 2007 9:30 am

Correlation, causation, etc.

All political extremes suck, try practicising what you preach.

threefingeredguy · Post by **threefingeredguy** » Thu 29 Mar, 2007 5:55 pm

DigiTan wrote:* Microwaves some popcorn for the inevitable political debate *

Anybody want vanilla popcorn? I don't think I can finish the whole bowl.

It's eerie that you should mention such a specific flavor of popcorn. That's exactly what my room smells like right now. It started to small so I got an air freshener at the grocery store. You should come over sometime.

DigiTan · Post by **DigiTan** » Fri 30 Mar, 2007 3:54 am

You know what's really eerie? I got the idea from our school's leasing office; where they had the popcorn machine and that strong vanilla air freshener last semester. "You got Glade in my popcorn!" "You got popcorn in my Glade!"

Our "old" chum demonstrates exactly why I'm off debate topics. I'm curious to know how many Republicans our ghost writer plans to convert with these highly unbiased and well-educated remarks of his. Granted, it does wonders for his ego, but c'mon, it's political plugging 101. Yet he continues to wax poetic with all the verbal dexterity of a drunken frat boy. Meh, I could go on...but that would just get hypocritical.

Anyways, I'm a fan of the so-called "Bill Gate's 11 Rules of Life." No political static or lines stolen from Fight Club. Just words to live by. A very nice read.

necro · Post by **necro** » Fri 30 Mar, 2007 5:29 am

Homestar wrote:@ necro: My intent is not to get into a political debate, as my comment was meant jokingly (note the invisible text) in response to the article's extremity against my political stance, even though I do believe what I said.

The following is just merely a few facts, clarifications, and rhetorical questions (as I don't dispel arguments with name calling).

Here's an interesting article link :
... People who identify themselves as conservatives donate money to charity more often than people who identify themselves as liberals. They donate more money and a higher percentage of their incomes.

It is not that conservatives have more money. Liberal families average 6 percent higher incomes than conservative families.

You may recall a flap during the 2000 election campaign when the fact came out that Al Gore donated a smaller percentage of his income to charity than the national average. That was perfectly consistent with his liberalism.

So is the fact that most of the states that voted for John Kerry during the 2004 election donated a lower percentage of their incomes to charity than the states that voted for President Bush.
Conservatives not only donate more money to charity than liberals do, conservatives volunteer more time as well. More conservatives than liberals also donate blood.

According to Brooks: "If liberals and moderates gave blood at the same rate as conservatives, the blood supply of the United States would jump about 45 percent."...

... Idealism in words is not idealism in deeds.
So ask yourself, when was the last time you donated money, gave blood, or volunteered time for a good cause.
Is the normal conservative really what you defined in your spiel?

About the great depression, that was a situation of national crisis, and a time of national emergency. Do note I said the essentials of our wellbeing as a Nation. I believe many of the things Roosevelt did, in addition to the war jump-starting our economy saved our nation. My problem is that after the crisis ended, many of the programs still remained.

Now on the flip-side of the coin, and on the personal level, if I had placed all my possessions into the lottery, (a risk based money exchange, just like the stock market) would it be the other taxpayers' responsibility to repay me if I didn't win?

...Crime, Chaos, Genocide, rape wards, and gas chambers. Do you honestly think I believe in that? I'm talking about Capitalism with the necessary restrictions. Besides what you're talking about is far closer to your USSR* than a free-marketed society in a just government*.

(*note, I think we both agree in a just government, so why would Africa's unjust governmental system even come up? It's like my associating your ideas of socialism with the USSR. It's not fair because it was represented in an unjust government. I don't really think you agree with the USSR, the statement was only made for emphasis.)
(I'm going to bed now, I'm really tired, and have a lot of college tomorrow)
end of post

Well, as a liberal I don't donate money, true but I don't have any myself. Further, if I did I would generaly be reluctant to donate to religous charities as I dislike religion, and aside from cancer societies that is about all of them that are local. As far as good causes, I can't exactly name many...I suppose I might be fairly pesimistic about trusting certain orginisations and people. I did put many hours of ressearch into fighting a number of civic proposals including a wal mart that would have been a disaster for our community if you would count that, and I generaly am politicaly active if you think that is a good thing to be. My problem with people attacking things like welfare and medicade is that they cost far less than the bridges to nowhere and farm subsudies and coin fraud do. Africa's many unjust governments are directly and inderectly supported by a flow of arms and aide from the US and other countries, including dar fur. Look at Iraq and the obvious money that the bush and cheny regimes rack in supplying our troops, and to a lesser extent the insurgents. It should be noted that if the US was like the USSR, I would be the first to raise against it. I beleive in a free market where the focus is on domestic stability and inprovement, or social programs, than try to jail every person who puffs reefer or try to censor what you can say and see, etc. I won't presume you are nescisarily for all of those things (though in the past you made comments to some of those effects) but the republican party is so far from free market it is amusing, as well as far from charitable or compasionate. I won't claim democrats are great or not worse in some regards, but the core focus makes me truely loathe the gop as a whole. Then again, I would probably vote for the rather midle ground giuliani over censorship loving hillary...

Also, I knew you were joking, I was exagerating as I always do (have'nt I said that a dozen times that I do by now?). In case you took them for literal, I call prisons rape wards and death chambers as people put there to be "helled" or "punished" are far more damaged and violent than before if they survive when they get out.