$#^% Asm libraries

coelurus · Post by **coelurus** » Sun 11 Dec, 2005 9:00 pm

Time to close this thread? The material in here burns better than old synthetic couch stuffing and we all know nobody wants that around.

Timendus · Post by **Timendus** » Sun 11 Dec, 2005 10:20 pm

calcul831415 wrote:I believe the end goal of computer programming these days is to decrease production time. This means utilizing what other people have already made.

* Thinks API *

;)

coelurus wrote:The material in here burns better than old synthetic couch stuffing

Just waiting for someone sitting on it to drop a cigarette

Post by **kv83** » Sun 11 Dec, 2005 11:29 pm

As long as the discussion is fair and doesn't get to personal I won't close the topic

currahee · Post by **currahee** » Mon 12 Dec, 2005 4:18 am

kalan_vod wrote:
currahee wrote:
coelurus wrote:A n00b sharing his impulsive thoughts about development, literally.

I disagree with one thing; Basic is _never_ fine for games
You can't be serious about that, well unless if you're mentioning pure basic games then I guess you could be right there.
Even then a pure basic game can be good, have you tried Contra 83? Thats a really good pure basic game.

Hence, could since it's kind of rare to have a good basic game these days.
I never liked Contra (NES) that much, so I can't say that the Contra 83 version is good.

Yeah i'm a uber noob when it comes to side scrollers. Especially the ones where you die when you get hit once.

kalan_vod · Post by **kalan_vod** » Mon 12 Dec, 2005 4:31 am

currahee wrote:
kalan_vod wrote:
currahee wrote: You can't be serious about that, well unless if you're mentioning pure basic games then I guess you could be right there.
Even then a pure basic game can be good, have you tried Contra 83? Thats a really good pure basic game.
Hence, could since it's kind of rare to have a good basic game these days.
I never liked Contra (NES) that much, so I can't say that the Contra 83 version is good.

Yeah i'm a uber noob when it comes to side scrollers. Especially the ones where you die when you get hit once.

It's just it was an extremly good game for pure basic and pretty fast.

CoBB · Post by **CoBB** » Mon 12 Dec, 2005 8:11 am

I'm also against mixing languages. When you use a lib, you could as well write the trunk of the program in assembly, since that's the easiest part. Hopefully this well-advertised API will help some people make the transition.

Regarding Basic, we've seen that programs can be made surprisingly efficient, it just takes a lot of discovery and imagination. To be honest, I'm sure mastering Basic is much harder than assembly, because the language is more complicated both in vocabulary and in semantics (especially side effects that waste time and memory). Consequently, the smallest homogenous group of programmers you can name is probably those who really know the ins and outs of TI-Basic. I advise everyone to check out DarkerLine's work and words on the topic.

currahee · Post by **currahee** » Mon 12 Dec, 2005 11:50 am

kalan_vod wrote:
currahee wrote:
kalan_vod wrote: Even then a pure basic game can be good, have you tried Contra 83? Thats a really good pure basic game.
Hence, could since it's kind of rare to have a good basic game these days.
I never liked Contra (NES) that much, so I can't say that the Contra 83 version is good.

Yeah i'm a uber noob when it comes to side scrollers. Especially the ones where you die when you get hit once.
It's just it was an extremly good game for pure basic and pretty fast.

Oh I was referring to Contra NES, not 83.

kalan_vod · Post by **kalan_vod** » Mon 12 Dec, 2005 2:32 pm

CoBB wrote:I'm also against mixing languages. When you use a lib, you could as well write the trunk of the program in assembly, since that's the easiest part. Hopefully this well-advertised API will help some people make the transition. Regarding Basic, we've seen that programs can be made surprisingly efficient, it just takes a lot of discovery and imagination. To be honest, I'm sure mastering Basic is much harder than assembly, because the language is more complicated both in vocabulary and in semantics (especially side effects that waste time and memory). Consequently, the smallest homogenous group of programmers you can name is probably those who really know the ins and outs of TI-Basic. I advise everyone to check out DarkerLine's work and words on the topic.

Yeah darkerline is really good and so is weregoose on UTI.

the_unknown_one · Post by **the_unknown_one** » Wed 14 Dec, 2005 8:07 am

It seems people don't hate ASM libs... Need to pull myself together and start working on EBL again... XLib rocks too. n00bs expressing themselves... They'll never learn...

kalan_vod · Post by **kalan_vod** » Wed 14 Dec, 2005 7:48 pm

the_unknown_one wrote:It seems people don't hate ASM libs... Need to pull myself together and start working on EBL again... XLib rocks too. n00bs expressing themselves... They'll never learn...

Well it is a great lib for basic programmers and I plan to learn more asm then I do atm. I hope you venture off into the forest with dysfunction on the xlib thing, meaning I hope you get help by dysfunction as he is doing some amazing things with it

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Post by **Kozak** » Thu 15 Dec, 2005 5:47 pm

the_unknown_one wrote:It seems people don't hate ASM libs... Need to pull myself together and start working on EBL again... XLib rocks too. n00bs expressing themselves... They'll never learn...

Some people never escape the 'n00b' label.....He'll never learn

dysfunction · Post by **dysfunction** » Fri 16 Dec, 2005 5:05 am

kalan_vod wrote:
the_unknown_one wrote:It seems people don't hate ASM libs... Need to pull myself together and start working on EBL again... XLib rocks too. n00bs expressing themselves... They'll never learn...
Well it is a great lib for basic programmers and I plan to learn more asm then I do atm. I hope you venture off into the forest with dysfunction on the xlib thing, meaning I hope you get help by dysfunction as he is doing some amazing things with it .

Thanks a lot, but my real expertise is in general game design, I'm not quite the Basic guru that Kevin, DarkerLine, Bryan Thomas, or yes, even Kerm Martian is. What I guess sets me apart is how much time I spend examining the tricks of sprite-based games and applying them on a platform much more limited than these techniques were originally applied on (I'm talking about masking, parallax scrolling, sprite animations, etc).

the_unknown_one · Post by **the_unknown_one** » Sat 17 Dec, 2005 8:27 am

kalan_vod: Huh? I don't work with XLib. I'm making EBL, which is an other ASM lib (especially designed for optimizing and speeding up).
Kozak: I get it...
dysfunction: You rock!