When is there going to be a new Ti?

Post by **tr1p1ea** » Wed 20 Apr, 2005 9:33 pm

It was down for me too, i feared the worst ... thankfully everything seems to be in order now *touches wood*.

Jim e · Post by **Jim e** » Wed 20 Apr, 2005 9:46 pm

How do you keep basic stepped up 15mhz? When ever I try i don't see any speed improvement.

Duck · Post by **Duck** » Wed 20 Apr, 2005 9:55 pm

Jim e@ wrote:Duck:No, you really wouldn't. The 86 have an lcd refresh rate to, so faster makes no difference. The pixels dont update instantly.

Would you call smart blending dithering in a way. It does add noise to smooth out the image. Just not in the same way.

Okay, dithering, whatever.
And about the refresh rate: who sais our imaginary display driver doesnt refresh 10 billion times a second?

Post by **tr1p1ea** » Wed 20 Apr, 2005 9:57 pm

I thought that the TI-OS set it to 15MHz for BASIC programmes automatically?

Andy_J · Post by **Andy_J** » Wed 20 Apr, 2005 10:09 pm

The only people who despise the 84+/SE are 83+SE owners who wished they would have waited the extra x months for the 84+SE to come out (or at least be announced) before they bought their outdated calculator.

Post by **tr1p1ea** » Wed 20 Apr, 2005 10:41 pm

Actually yeah, the only people i know that hate 84+SE's are 83+SE owners O_o.

Jim e · Post by **Jim e** » Wed 20 Apr, 2005 11:33 pm

Duck wrote:
Jim e@ wrote:Duck:No, you really wouldn't. The 86 have an lcd refresh rate to, so faster makes no difference. The pixels dont update instantly.

Would you call smart blending dithering in a way. It does add noise to smooth out the image. Just not in the same way.
Okay, dithering, whatever.
And about the refresh rate: who sais our imaginary display driver doesnt refresh 10 billion times a second?

No I was seriously asking you, I didn't know how to describe it other than interlacing. But I never liked that term.

Actually yeah, the only people i know that hate 84+SE's are 83+SE owners O_o

Good point, the 84 just seems wastefull. If your gonna give it a whole new model number you should toss in a few extras. A clock and a usb don't really say buy me I'm berter. Really they should have just skipped over the SE and gone straight to the 84+. And Not have released the regular 84+, who in their right mind would buy that.

I guess it was just a little disappointing with talk that we have about a dream calc(so nerdy) the model number 87 pops up. Well before that number was the 84. And all it turned out to be was a whored up SE, big deal.

But to be fair, people like netham45 terrorizing the DS board(and kirk) really did put me off to the 84s.

DJ_O · Post by **DJ_O** » Thu 21 Apr, 2005 12:43 am

tr1p1ea wrote:Actually yeah, the only people i know that hate 84+SE's are 83+SE owners O_o.

I dont hate it really. I just prefer the 83+SE because most ASM games work better on it than on the 84s and the 83+SE support TI-Graph Link and the serial/parralel cable, and it has more RAM (the SE have 24300 and the 84 have 24100 I think, 200 bytes can make a great difference when playing some basic games and when trying to play Gemini 3D). The 84+ SE is an improvement though with the clock and the USB port

Madskillz · Post by **Madskillz** » Thu 21 Apr, 2005 2:16 am

A clock and a usb don't really say buy me I'm better.

-I agree, but since my mom payed for half when my 83+ broke, 65-70 dollars really didn't seem that much for calc!

the SE have 24300 and the 84 have 24100 I think...

-I am pretty sure I have had my free RAM up to 24300...I'll have to clean it up a bit to check for sure. But I still had quite a few games on there even when I did have it all the way up there.

edit: to be exact...my free RAM is 24389...what now!?

MetalHead25 · Post by **MetalHead25** » Thu 21 Apr, 2005 2:35 am

isn't there a new ez80 processor?
why can't they use it to make a new calc?

Post by **DarkAuron** » Thu 21 Apr, 2005 3:21 am

Okay, here's my opinion on it, especially since I was able to borrow my friend's ti-84+SE for a few days so I could put stuff on it:

The ti-84+SE's new style, in my opinion, is far overdone. Not only is it thicker (for no reason unless being too thin is dangerous.. pfft) but the curves are soooo overdone that when I first saw one, I thought it was a portable DS-like game system, and it took me several minutes to realize it was a calc.

It's like a colored, very curved and smoothed brick with bright, fancy colors. Apparently it's a new-age cool factor, and I think it's horrible with overrated ugliness.

Now, to the specs. There have been reports of LCD screwups especially in MirageOS, and apparently 1.3 has a fix, but since it's not released yet, the poor guys at DS are being asked CONSTANTLY. Now really, is TI purposefully changing tiny little things as an attempt to make third-party apps stop development and commit suicide or something? Pure evil I say.

Another thing.. I guarantee you'd fail a lot of songs in my DDR game (whenever it's finished and release of course) because of the conjoined up+down button on the ti-84+. How STUPID is that? WHY did they do that? Are they trying to turn the ti-84+SE into some shiny cellphone? Come on now, it's a CALCULATOR. So unless I add a ti-84+ controls set in DDR, I'll have lots of ti-84+ users spamming me and begging me to change the controls for them.. ugh. I ask why.. but I'm afraid I'll only get the answer "Er, because TI is a dumb@!#$"

Okay, so then theres USB linkage now. Wow, so it's faster. But really, unless you're going to be transferring stuff to and from the calc every 5 minutes, is the extra speed worth it? Honestly I think NOT.

Then we have the clock. Hmm, do any regular, non-programmer users need a clock on their calc? Generally people are surrounded by clocks or have a watch, so what's the point? On the programming-side, yes things could be interesting with that, but what was TI really thinking?

Well then we have 'faceplates'. All the colors are bright and colorful, another annoyance. Generally I don't like those kind of colors, I like medium to dark. But there are none, so they're generally feminate (although not completely). So.. I see a problem with that.

Another thing about the colors is they changed the text for the 2nd button (as well as the button itself of course) to blue. Personally I find it hard to read bright blue and green text on light gray. It's bad for the eyes.... grr. They're light shades of cold colors on a dead shade, it's just not right IMO.

Aside from the ports being on the top, the MODE menu being in small text and having a clock, the LCD scrambling, and the redesign and recoloring of the calc, it's exactly the same as a ti-83+SE. Hardly any changes.

Now, why does my opinion matter? Yes, I might be biased as I already have a ti-83+SE, which is also the same situation for Jim e, however, let me say this: If you hadn't noticed (and I apologize to you if this isn't personally true to you), a great deal of ti-84+ owners don't know much about technology in general, much less about calcs. Those who only have a ti-83 or ti-83+(non-SE) don't really know what it feels like to have 9x more space and a bit of a faster environment in the TI-OS, and may desire that, and think "Hey, a ti-84+ is new, why not get it? I need more!". Those of us with a ti-83+SE already know what it's like, and can compare the differences, then realize theres no point in getting near-worthless 'upgrades'.

Seriously, after 3 years, you'd think there'd be more interesting upgrades from the ti-83+SE to the ti-84+SE. All they offer new is direct USB connection and a clock. Whoopy-doo. Could've at least added more RAM..

Now.. you decide.

AndySoft wrote:The only people who despise the 84+/SE are 83+SE owners who wished they would have waited the extra x months for the 84+SE to come out (or at least be announced) before they bought their outdated calculator.

And you assume every ti-83+SE owner just HAS to have a ti-84+SE and desperately wants mite additions that bring almost nothing new at all to a calculator? I take that as a very harsh insult. I despise the ti-84+ probably more than anyone else because those who support the ti-84+ parade around in my face acting like they know what the hell they're talking about when they go "TI-84 PWNZ YOU AND YOU ARE TEH SUXXORZ CUZ I AM TEH OWNZERZ OF TEH AWESOMNESSSS". Same is the fate for the PSP vs. DS, although the DS does have its unfortunate lack of a couple of things, but the PSP is rather overrated (and really overpriced).
Now, if you want to continue to assume that ti-83+SE owners are jealous, I'd like a nice bit of background support before you even dare repeat that.

Jim e · Post by **Jim e** » Thu 21 Apr, 2005 3:29 am

Andy_J · Post by **Andy_J** » Thu 21 Apr, 2005 4:15 am

Kevin wrote:the 83+SE support TI-Graph Link and the serial/parralel cable

So does the 84+ (with the proper software on the computer, of course).

@DA: Well, sorry, but the only people I ever see bitching about the 84+ so much are the 83+SE owners. I didn't mean to imply that just the 83+SE owners do so, or all for the same reason.
And let me address some of your other points. I personally do think that the colors of the 84+/SE suck, but the overall design is good. I really like my 89T's layout. As for the size, it's not much bigger than my 83+. Moving the I/O port to the top was stupid, but of course the just want to make more money by making TI-Keyboard owners buy a kickstand slide cover and a long link cable. The up and down buttons, although they are connected, can be pressed at the same time. In fact, it's easier to do so (on purpose or on accident). The USB link is kind of stupid right now, but only until we figure out how to use it. Once that's done, you can make four-player, four-calculator Bomberman if you wanted to (daisychain). In practice, the USB port is actually slower than the I/O port except for very large applications or variables (the USB On-The-Go protocol has a lot of overhead on it).

Spencer · Post by **Spencer** » Thu 21 Apr, 2005 4:39 am

Connected up/down ... wtf. You'd think they'd realize they should just put in a true D-pad. "I want that graphing calculator for the math abilities!" "No you don't, you want it for the games." Therefore, D-pad.

mnc2fan · Post by **mnc2fan** » Thu 21 Apr, 2005 5:21 am

I really don't see any difference with the specs of 84+SE and 83+SE, except the 83+SE says it is 15mhz, and the 84+SE is 2.5 times faster than 83+ ~20mhz. Personally i don't think it is ~20mhz but not sure!!